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Saturday, March 04, 2006

What Really Happened On 9/11?

This was posted a few days ago on the UAE Community Blog, but, strangely, it didn't seem to raise any eyebrows.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8260059923762628848&q=loose+change

It's an hour and 20 minutes long. If you don't want to sit staring at your computer for that long, skip through to about the 45th minute and watch the next ten minutes. It shows you how the collapse of the twin towers were controlled demolitions that had nothing at all to do with the 747s parked on the upper floors. Feel free to tell me if you disagree.

Seriously scary stuff.

28 Comments:

Blogger missenme said...

What a complete crock of SH*T. As an American, I am absolutely and completely appalled that ANYONE would even suggest that is incredible tragedy was "staged". And there's the fact that I know people who were there and saw the planes...and I know people who died there. Real people folks, with families. Conspiracy theorists and Bush-haters will stop at nothing to concoct "proof" of their ridiculous claims. And remember people, it's a MOVIE - (Hobbits and wizards don't exist either) I could make a movie showing how aliens came down from Pluto and used toxic farts to blow down the Twin Towers...would that be any more believable?

It is really pathetic the lengths that some idiots will go to to make a point...and even more pathetic that people believe it.

Anyone who believes this sh*t is a complete and utter MORON, and deserves to have to write "I do not believe in Fairy Tales" 999 billion times on the chalkboard...

6:13 pm  
Blogger Keefieboy said...

No, it's not a movie, it's a documentary. Can you not tell the difference? Are you saying it was fabricated? Have you seen it?

Can you account for the lack of suitable wreckage at the Pentagon? And the sheer unlikeliness of those planes actually causing the Twin Towers to collapse the way they did?

I'm not denying that a lot of people actually died in these incidents...

And you conclude that I'm a complete and utter MORON? You come from the 'land of the free' where everyone is entitled to their opinion yes? So you see something you disagree with and that makes them a MORON. Marvellous.

6:50 pm  
Blogger samuraisam said...

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7:48 pm  
Blogger Transparent Soul said...

Ok, I can understand why missenme is upset...he is just angry that the video is taking the focus away from the victims involved.
Keefie, even if that was true, will it change anything? some countries are just set in their ways..evidence to convict them or not, is not relavant.
Just take the weapon of mass distruction example in Iraq..nothing was found but they just went a head with war...
so impressive movie..yes many arabs who carry the "consipirocy theory" would say "we told you so"..but so what..will it change anything?
No.

8:04 pm  
Blogger Keefieboy said...

Transparent Soul: the victims are still victims, whoever did it. But if what this documentary is saying is true, then the American people have a very serious problem with their current government. Really, I cannot imagine a worse scenario.

8:16 pm  
Blogger Robert said...

I'm glad that it's possible to have a debate about this issue and I sympathise with 'missenme', but we need to refute this kind of nonsense, not rant against it. I watched the whole movie and it is a good example of how you can find evidence to support any kind of fantasy as long as you are prepared to overlook facts which don't happen to fit your case. Such an operation would have to rely on dozens of people each willing to kill thousands of their fellow citizens, but never breath a word to friends or loved ones in an unguarded moment. And what about the passengers of the 'real' aircraft? Whatever happened to them? And the suicide pilots - if they were not fanatical terrorists what were they giving up their lives for? Intelligent people deserve better than this.

8:29 pm  
Blogger Keefieboy said...

For me, the most telling thing was the way those towers collapsed. It was completely inconsistent with them being struck by the aircraft. It happened too late, and it happened too tidily. Those towers were designed to withstand mayhem such as this.

8:41 pm  
Blogger Transparent Soul said...

I have always questioned those "al qaeda" peoples motive...
After Sept 11, all of the Islamic Countries are under the microscope, since then, US felt free to have a say on how these countries should be run, declaring war on this and that...
So yes, I always questioned them..whether they were just un-intelligent people who served certain parties un-knowingly..or it was just a coincident!
My heart goes for all the victims involved no matter who was responsible..they were innocent.
I agree with Robert..that you can sell a story by eliminating important fact..a lesson for ALL of us to learn and watch out for..cause it applies to more than the Sept 11.

8:41 pm  
Blogger Tim Newman said...

For me, the most telling thing was the way those towers collapsed. It was completely inconsistent with them being struck by the aircraft.

It's not though. I was working in an office full of civil engineers on 9/11, and there was much discussion about the method in which the towers collapsed.

A few months later, a very geeky documentary came out through one of the civil engineering professional bodies which explained the failure mechanisms of each tower in great detail (each collapsed differently, but from the same root cause). This documentary was very thorough and convincing, and nobody at work disputed it. Personally, I perfectly understand how the resulting fire caused the towers to collapse in the way they did.

If any civil engineer with a reputation worth upkeeping is part of this new documentary, I would be amazed. And if any professional had doubts, he would examine the widely-held version of events (contained in the documentary I saw) and put his case against them, rather than launch a theory of his own.

Personally, I think the documentary should be filed under "Raving lunatic conspiracy theories" along with Roswell files, JFK shootings, and Elvis sightings.

8:30 am  
Blogger Harsha said...

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9:51 am  
Blogger Hot Lemon& Honey said...

What happened to Harsha's comment?

10:14 am  
Blogger Harsha said...

i removed it...

10:26 am  
Blogger Hot Lemon& Honey said...

why I thought that was a good point?

10:34 am  
Blogger Harsha said...

hmm my question is answered, u'll know , see the whole documentry and listen carefully..they clearly say that the building could stand being hit by a boeing and Avery also shows evidence of delibrate demolition.

10:59 am  
Blogger Dengrous Boy said...

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1:46 pm  
Blogger sky said...

I am a little disturbed by the way 'missenme' has commented on your post Keefieboy. As you said, with him coming from "the land of the free", you'd expect more tolerance and most importantly, more open-mindedness.

I got sucked into watching the whole documentary last night as I am the spawn of a father who believes everything is a conspiracy theory..:)

Avery raises some very important and intelligent points. I am the first one to state loud and proud that there is a WHOLE LOT we don't know about 9/11, and that it's just too easy to point the finger at the extremists.

The US government did not shy away from saying that they would hide things from the public, so why the hell should we believe anything they say?

As much as I loved Farenheit 9/11 for example, I will not blindly believe everything Michael Moore has to say. It's good to keep an open mind, watch, read, listen to whatever is out there (from all sides and opinions), and try to formulate an informed opinion.

We will most definitely never know the whole truth. But 'missenme', let's defend our right to explore it.

6:28 pm  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

....this documentary ranks up there with
1. We never landed on the moon
2. There was no Holocaust
3. Dubai stock market will never crash.

My advice is to speak directly to those families that lost their relatives in the planes that were crashed.

Anyway on another note I currently own London Bridge and am currently seeking to offload it for a bargain price. If you are interested perhaps we can do business.

7:07 pm  
Blogger Brn said...

I watched the part that you suggested (starting around 45 minutes in). It seems a pretty typical conspiracy theory "documentary".

The problem with conspiracy theories like this is that they are a closed system and impossible to argue against. Any evidence against the theory was planted. If we don't know the answer to a question, then it is because the answer would prove that the conspiracy is the correct explanation. Any evidence that supports my theory, no matter what its source, is true and trustworthy.

Popular Mechanics did a short but interesting debunking of many of the claims made by the documentarian, as well as some others. You can

read it here
.

11:04 pm  
Blogger samuraisam said...

anonymous @ 7:07 PM, while you're asking them, check in with JFK's family too.

12:19 am  
Blogger Harsha said...

what about JFK's family?

10:07 am  
Blogger Duffy said...

C'mon Keefieboy, you're smarter than this. As noted the claims in this load of tripe have been roundly debunked by PM and others. Why do conspiracy theorists think that the US Government is likely to kill thousands of its own people but crazed Islamic terrorists wouldn't?

The building was designed to withstand the impact of a plane but not one as large as the ones that struck the towers.

The 45 minute mark features two interviews; one with a janitor who is suddenly a civil engineer. The claim that the elevators were hermetically sealed is silly. At least one elevator full of people were very badly burned by JP fuel that went down the shaft. Much of the damage on the lower levels was due to stresses from the shifting weight when the plane struck.

Please don't believe such nonsense.

5:59 pm  
Blogger Keefieboy said...

Duffy: pls explain the puffs of smoke on the lower floors as the buildings collapsed...

6:05 pm  
Blogger Duffy said...

FACT: Once each tower began to collapse, the weight of all the floors above the collapsed zone bore down with pulverizing force on the highest intact floor. Unable to absorb the massive energy, that floor would fail, transmitting the forces to the floor below, allowing the collapse to progress downward through the building in a chain reaction. Engineers call the process "pancaking," and it does not require an explosion to begin, according to David Biggs, a structural engineer at Ryan-Biggs Associates and a member of the American Society of Civil Engineers (ASCE) team that worked on the FEMA report.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html?page=4&c=y

Really, read the whole thing. PM has much cooler heads than 9/11 tin-foil hat documentarians. The former quotes American Society of Civil Engineer members and the FEMA report. The latter quotes janitors and takes quotes from firemen out of context.

11:56 pm  
Blogger Keefieboy said...

Yes Duffy, I've read the whole thing. But the documentary shows puffs of smoke escaping from the towers 10-15 floors below where the collapse was taking place, and this continues right through the collapse.

12:50 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

That documentary's bulls***. But here's a fact for you Keefieboy: 'All the Jews from the twin towers were evacuated right before the planes hit' (can you taste the sarcasm?)

5:00 am  
Blogger Robert said...

Check out Wikipedia at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11_domestic_conspiracy_theory

3:53 pm  
Blogger Duffy said...

Keefie,

The concrete was giving out. Those puffs of smoke are load bearing concrete columns giving way. That they are below the collapse point is immateriel. The enormous stresses of the shifting weight above caused them. Think of it this way, if you get hit on the head w/ a brick and your knees give out first, should we conclude that a second person hit you in the knees?

5:39 pm  
Blogger Maggieliz said...

Hey All,

There's a lot of concern and misunderstanding about what happened on 9-11

Can't agree with the conspiracy theory ... I know our Government (I'm American) is screwed up, especially with the current bozo, but I don't think that a scam of this magnitude could be carried off. People talk, there's pillow talk, gossip spreads....

I don't think you could find enough people with the right skills who could keep quiet about something like this, especially since we're talking about the slaughter of thousands to justify invading another Country. I think you're giving the American Government entirely too much credit.

10:23 pm  

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